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Post by bbucky on Jun 14, 2017 20:55:42 GMT -6
I'm beginning tests with my new IV setup. I hoping the patience will make it through successfully. Any encouragement, wisdom, helpful hints would be greatly appreciated. I will be trying to reduce copper at two points on the way up, around cone 010 and again around cone 8-9. Thanks Bill
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Post by fa on Jun 15, 2017 8:44:42 GMT -6
What's your set up? Bob built me a rig involving a huge syringe and a control box, all run by an arduino.
The best advice I can give you is to go slowly. If you try to reduce too fast you'll get carbon trapping, and with gold and silver it's just ugly.
I've never tried to reduce on the way up. Will be interested in your results.
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Post by bbucky on Jun 15, 2017 13:36:50 GMT -6
Hey Fa Simple IV drip run through a copper tube into kiln. Controlling the rate of reduction liquid by drips per second. Only questions I have is about rates, and Andy safety insights. Greg shared in a post about a poof that blew out peeps, how and whys. Very helpful "what not to dos" are what I'm interested in. The gold chloride pink colors I've gotten are all oxidation. Just wasn't able to get them to ruby red even after 24 hour post fire holds at striking temps. Bill
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Post by Arnie Benton on Jun 15, 2017 15:06:03 GMT -6
I think that reducing 'on the way up" - at less than about 1750 degrees - will cause the Zinc to bubble out of the glaze - that's why I had so much trouble reducing in a gas kiln - am interested to see what results you get.
Arnie
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Post by fa on Jun 15, 2017 17:03:00 GMT -6
I don't do more than one drop per second, to avoid carbon trapping. Safety: fire extinguisher (electrical fire type) on hand at all times, *do not under any circumstances* do this in an enclosed space as it produces copious amounts of carbon monoxide. Seal the kiln well and no not peek. (Though, I have to say, I seal except for one small area that remains open so there's some circulation in the kiln, or else you'll get stuff that's only reduced on one side.)
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Post by adammacmillan on Jun 16, 2017 7:19:56 GMT -6
I agree, i have built a unit that can do propane and electric, both computer controlled. If you are reducing around cone 8-9 I believe you will get the zinc to boil out of the glaze. Maybe you can get it to work. Is your goal to produce reds? I think you can get the result you are looking for by reducing on the cooling and have better control over the crystal growth. Also, there are nice alumina tubes you can get from Omega that come in packs of 10 that might be better for your dripper. Your copper tube is going to melt at 1082C.
One last thing and it looks like youve been told this - that first drip of alcohol will cause a bang! I reduce in the cooling, and what i do is when i'm getting ready to reduce, i put on protective gloves, lift the lid and slide a 1/2"thick piece of firebrick under the lid to prop it up. Turn on the gas or alcohol, let the flame pop, then pull the brick and put the lid back down. First time I did it without the pressure release, i jumped the lid about 3 inches off the kiln.
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Post by bbucky on Jun 16, 2017 10:59:14 GMT -6
I think that reducing 'on the way up" - at less than about 1750 degrees - will cause the Zinc to bubble out of the glaze - that's why I had so much trouble reducing in a gas kiln - am interested to see what results you get. Arnie Hey Arnie, I've believed that also, but never tested it, the crystals that are deeply refractive red, are growing with CU2O or CU2. The are amazing, rich, and Greg has it going. Research on copper red glaze shows that once the glaze melts the red copper is trapped, and oxygen won't penetrate. I will explore this area, and share some results. It's kinda cool that nobody who really has this is telling how to do it for sure. This causes me to approach with fresh eyes, like how Greg did, he knows his way is different from Duly Mitchell's. There must be a way to reduce, or keep reduced copper in its red state and not destroy the zinc. Post fire reduction can't really be penetrating the glaze with Carbon or hydrogen to pull out the oxygen of the CUO in the depth of the glaze. For good oxbloods this must be done before the melt.
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Post by mohawkpiper on Jun 18, 2017 3:54:46 GMT -6
Yo,
I have SOMETHING going, but it is not like others reds really and its extremely difficult to reproduce consistently.
I also used to believe reducing on the way up would produce undesireable results based off of others saying so, but oxblood glazes are done this way and many contain zinc (albeit at much smaller amounts) so why not?
I also believe post fire reduction cannot penetrate the glaze well to get a deeper reder color without the metal rust look. Research says it needs to be reduced in a non post fire way if you want to penetrate the glaze.
I started off on my non post fire reduced reds based off of oxblood glazes but my path has veered from that a bit. I am not using anything unordinary... everything is your regular everyday glaze materials. I could be mistaken, but I believe many doing reds other than post fire reduced copper ones are using something a little special?
plus i cant get red in the bg. But i like that mine are glassy and have no hints of being metallic or rusty. my post fire reduced reds were never really glassy.
G
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Post by mohawkpiper on Jun 18, 2017 4:05:38 GMT -6
oh and i drip between 1 dps to about 4 or 5 sometimes. i leave the top peep out when i start then put a ceramic one with a few holes drilled into it in the hole after a few seconds or so. i let air/oxygen into the kiln during the entire reduction and base my amount of reduction off the flame coming out of the peep plug.
I agree with adam on the tube. i wouldnt be able to use copper tubes for my reductions. i use mullite tubes and if taken care of last for a really long time.
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Post by mohawkpiper on Jun 18, 2017 13:52:25 GMT -6
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Post by fa on Jun 19, 2017 7:44:05 GMT -6
Wow! Great job!
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Post by fa on Jul 2, 2017 8:23:42 GMT -6
I'm going to try my new alcohol injection set up this week, will post pics.
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Post by annie on Aug 1, 2017 2:58:25 GMT -6
Greg, These are so beautiful!Have you any left? I'm going to Ian Childer's workshop in January at Dunedin--and perhaps we can do the hand-off as usual, shipping to me there. I think I need another of yours! Let's email.
By the way, I'm getting ready to try alky drip--only a few months later than expected. I have most all I need now, including my pyrometer arrived this weed. Do you leave a few bungs open both when you first introduce the alky and throughout the reduction to avoid the initial 'booom' and to provide oxygen?
Love to hear more and in awe of your work! -Annie
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Post by mohawkpiper on Aug 2, 2017 23:52:04 GMT -6
Fa how'd it go?
Hey Annie....
I have a few... but none of the ones posted, and those were pretty much the only ones that really came out nice. The few I currently have just don't cut it in my eye...
I have just barely started throwing again (10 month break...) perhaps I can possibly get out a nice one for you in time.
Ian Childer's workshop sounds fun! I hope you get a lot out of it, I'm sure you will.
Honestly I don't leave any bungs open... Ive gotten used to it I guess. But my top one does have a few small holes in it so in a way I am providing at least a small amount of oxygen throughout the reduction.
I do suggest leaving one open on the initial introduction of alky tho... especially if you are new... as our close encounter came from a first time from Pam with it all closed up. And we have done it a few times with the top one open initially and the results were no different so it cant hurt.
G
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Post by annie on Aug 4, 2017 1:06:01 GMT -6
Thank you G for added info re opening bungs. I'm sure I'll be ok. Planning on opening the windows and garage doors, too. 😀
Your crystal shapes are stunning! Hoping I achieve some feathery crystals too.
Can't wait to see what you come up with, But don't stress over it. Anytime, any year even, is fine. Glad you're back throwing for pleasure.
As always, many many thanks,
--Annie
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