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Post by Mark Winner on Jan 29, 2022 21:42:55 GMT -6
Has anyone had any luck with mixing Frits F3124 and F3110. I start with: Ferro frit 3124 51.4% Zinc Oxide 22.5% Silica 21.0% Lithium Carbonate. 5.1% - F3110. 50% Zinc. 18% Silica. 20% Bentonite 2% Grisly Borate 2% - Then blend them together. Any one with any info on F3124 Please contact me at art.mpw@gmail.com Thanks
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Post by evan cornish-keefe on Jan 31, 2022 2:51:18 GMT -6
Yes, mixing them can be very useful to get a certain chemistry. Especially for lower temperature glazes where you’ll want the boron from 3124 (or 3134) and with high sodium content from 3110.
I typically use 3134 instead of 3124 because it’s lower in Alumina but has a similar amount of Boron, then add EPK for some Alumina and to help suspend the glaze. Use a lot of 3110 for Sodium content, and of course zinc and silica.
I don’t necessarily think about mixing/blending them, I’m looking for certain chemistry using UMF. For a cone 6 glaze that means about .5 Zinc, about 1.8 Silica, .2 or lower Alumina, about .15 Boron and then about .2 Calcium and .3 Sodium. That’s for a cone 6 glaze, and for cone 10 would simply remove the Boron keeping everything else the same.
The UMF calculator on glazy.org is great for this.
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Post by jfox on Jan 31, 2022 10:05:57 GMT -6
Frits have gotten so expensive lately and being the skinflint I am i finally got around to trying out something I've been thinking about for a long time I modified a small garden Chipper and added a shop vac to grind up glass and the results are excellent . I ground up a old patio door and the result where as good or better than 3110. I'm working on building a real hammer mill now( my chipper jams up if i feed it too fast). On a side note take care of your lungs! 50+ years of pottery making as well as wood dust, drywall dust,Raku and wood smoke have left me with chronic lung disease, no fun probably going to kill me before hang gliding.
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Post by gczop on Feb 3, 2022 12:01:38 GMT -6
Howdy folks, recently running low on 3110 tried to convert 413 by adding what seemed to be the right amount of gerstley borate. Right after that result bought more 3110. Cheers, Gordon Good luck with the hammer mill Jim.
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Post by jfox on Feb 3, 2022 15:26:50 GMT -6
I put Gerstley in my glaze, but only about 3% primarily because it radically improves suspension and brushability ( is that a word? apparently not, spell check dosn't like it)
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Post by jfox on Feb 3, 2022 15:36:32 GMT -6
heres the formula from digitalfire. that calcium might push it toward a matt
Ferro Frit 3124
Alternate Names: F3124 Oxide Analysis Formula CaO 14.28% 0.70 Na2O 6.40% 0.28 Al2O3 10.01% 0.27 SiO2 54.94% 2.50 K2O 0.68% 0.02 B2O3 13.74% 0.54 Oxide Weight 274.12 Formula Weight 274.12
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Post by evan cornish-keefe on Feb 3, 2022 18:19:44 GMT -6
I was taught that f3124 is designed to be *almost* a perfect glossy low fire glaze. 90% 3124 and 10% EPK which helps suspension will be a very durable cone 04 clear gloss.
And 3134 is almost identical chemistry to 3124 just with lower alumina.
Also Gerstley Borate I’ve heard is primarily 3 minerals, Colemanite Bentonite and I forget the third! But the Bentonite gives it the suspension and gelling properties supposedly.
Also Jim, I’m sorry to hear about the chronic lung disease, that sounds awful. I’m now setting tile as a subcontractor and thinking about the many toxic dusts now more than ever doing pottery. Been looking into hepa shop vacs and hepa air scrubbers, but some of those materials it seems better to just avoid altogether
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Post by jfox on Feb 3, 2022 18:55:56 GMT -6
I've done years of tile work as well.It all adds up. It only bothers me at night so far but im using a respirator instead of a dusk mask when im stirring up dust and trying to keep the studio cleaned up ( that also makes the wife happy. sort of closing the barn door after the horse is gone but im trying keep it from getting worse
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Post by gczop on Feb 4, 2022 9:56:48 GMT -6
Agree with adding gerstley for brushability. The donkey bead glaze is primarily 413 with authentic Egyptian blue pigment made in the garage. A good luck charm of sorts. Jim, pm with your address and will send one. Gordon
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Post by jfox on Feb 4, 2022 15:58:43 GMT -6
Thanks Gordon, Where are you?im in northern California. If you ever find yourself in the area look me up. PM sent
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Post by gczop on Feb 5, 2022 10:13:55 GMT -6
Jim, Here are a couple of studies available on faience and Egyptian blue. Gordon, Port Jervis NY EGYPTIAN FAIENCE: AN INVESTIGATION OF THE METHODS OF PRODUCTION Photoluminescence of Egyptian Blue (research gate)
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Post by jfox on Feb 7, 2022 17:46:36 GMT -6
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