Black/gold base recipe?

Alexandra,

First, welcome to the forum. Great place to start to gather info.

I'm gonna give you a bit of advice. I sure don't mean to be the wet blanket, but I know it is going to sound like that. It's just a dose if reality. Lot's of folks would agree with me, but just aren't going to say it.

The gold on black combo you are after is not something that is just going to fall into your lap with a quick answer or certain recipe and firing schedule.

I can equate it to pulling The Sword from The Stone. You are trying to win the race to Pike's Peak, and maybe don't even know how to drive a stick shift. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

As far as I know, the only person who has achieved that color combo is Jose Mariscal. He is one of the best in the world right now, and even he admitted he hopes he can do it again.

Many of us have ideas on what he has going on, and some have come close, but I don't think anyone is just going to give you the answers so quickly. We all have our specialties, and share ideas and recipes with each other when there is something to share in return.

In this game you kind of have to sit at the table for awhile, let people see what you are currently doing, and in time you may gain some high cards to offer for some advice or even direct answers.

My advice to you right now is to concentrate on the perfection of your thrown forms, work with them, work with different color combos, and in time your knowledge will grow and you can then try some things that have only been done by the very best.

Learn to control every aspect of crystalline first. Don't fall into the trap of fixating on just one color combo. It can waste a lot of time and effort. If you haven't even gone to ^9 yet, I don't think you are even going to come close to achieving such a lofty goal.

Try some reduction firings that are simple, if you want to go there. Work with copper, get some results, learn to control that, do it again, then branch out. It's no walk in the park, and ya gotta pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues.

Don't let me get you down. I'm one of the first ones to offer compliments and lend a hand to folks who need it, and I can say a lot without saying everything I have worked for over 20 years of being in the pottery business.

I would be interested to see some of your work, so would the rest of us. That's the best place to start trading info and progressing to your goals.

Black engobe with Mason stain, I can assure you, does not have what you want in it as far as "impurities" to reach a gold on black combo.

Don't let me get you down, but again you have to get a foot in the door and some real world experience first, then you can go from there.

One more thing....If you do someday figure it out, don't tell your professors how you did it. Trust me, they want to know too, but aren't always willing to put in their own time and effort.

Good Luck with it all, and welcome to The Jungle.

Koz

Good summary Koz

Dag nabit Uncle Koz is scarin all the chilluns again

Hi Koz

I guess that you never have found the filosefers stone grind them up and put them in a glaze that give gold on a fine black
back, so why is that so bad that other search for it, I an currius, I gess that exactly this is wath have driven Jose to find the
answer. he is hard working and with out the will to get to the finish line, I dont think he would have gotten there,
we have all our way to a complice our dreams. I my self have learned a lot following this forum, It took me a some time to
know the unwriten rule, But I would like if som one had given the girl a chance to precent her work before cutting her down like this
She is at god ceramic se some of her work before sabling her down. pleace

Peter sorry for my mis spellings

Hi Koz I maybe were a bit harsh This were not my intention But I gess we are in the jungle
so my idea is to look after the flower in the jungle, then it maybe easy'er to find the way trough
I have alwayes thougt this Forum as a place to exchange ide'as to improve our skils and learn to master
one of the most difficult glazes known to man, not to corner any knowledge, to say I am the master.
You yourself have helped numerous people to master crystalline glazes so it is a pussel to me what
is the different this time. I would say if there is some one on this forum that would like to give info
on the gold on black glaze then it is up to them, not us that dont know, and if they stay silent then it is
there choice not ours. But I am maybe totaly wrong. ?

Peter

Thanks Peter, I appreciate your sharing. Sounds like a good scratch recipe for frit.
I have not tried reduction yet, as I still have plenty of runway left with oxidation.

The Wizard of "Metaphors" can come across a little strong, but his message, which was directed to me several years ago is valid - "your best teacher is your last mistake". Koz has helped me on numerous occasions, which I greatly appreciate.

For those English speakers reading this thread, please benefit from my Googling.

Kalifeldspat 290 g - is Potash Feldspar
Kvarts 345 g - is Quartz aka Silica

1276 C 2328 F
1100 C 2012 F
1000 C 1832 F

...and Koz... keep those metaphors coming!

Tim

When I started using crystalline glazes 3 years ago I asked some folks how to get black and gold glazes like Bill Boyd.
Now I cringe to think I even asked.

Here's the closest I've gotten to black and gold, for what it's worth.
These are fired horizontally, cone 6 oxidation.

This is a dark brown clay (Standard's 266), the glaze contains a little iron and maybe manganese.



Here I combined the leftovers of two boring line blends, which together make one of the most interesting and unpredictable effects I've seen. This forms multiple types of crystals, and colors including black, gold, red, orange, yellow, blue, brown, beige.



More about this glaze combo:
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